Jack O\'Neil
Posted by Jack O\'Neil 6/27/2010
Agreed! Who's behind the Gulf Oil Spill? Why the Toxic Sprays? And for what Agenda? GetUp Readers, what's your opinion?
As an independent researcher with an enquiring mind, thought you may like to look beyond the clever manipulation of those who continue to saturate your psyche with grandiosum rhetoric and collective socialism, depriving you of forming you own informed conclusions. Please read what this insider has to say and do your own research. Become a Free Thinker not a Sheeple. (A mature Lamb to the Slaughter)
Kind regards
Jack
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Scientist Insider Whistleblower
Last year when all the internal documents and emails of the "climate scientists" at East Anglia University in England, were leaked to the internet, the global warming movement was revealed to the world for what it really was---A fraud! Global warming is just another scam designed to bring the so-called global elite enormous windfall profits, at the expense of the so-called middle class. This internet revelation literally wrecked the Copenhagen Conference and the so-called Copenhagen Treaty. (It also resulted in criminal investigations in England.) Recall, that the scam was to be implemented through a "carbon tax" and the installation of a "cap and trade" exchange mechanism. Of course the point man for this outrage was, and still is, "fast Al Gore." But Gore's mentor and handler is George Soros. It is well known that Soros hand picked Obama and also acted as the bag man for the Obama administration. But, let there be no doubt that there is more than money involved here. These people, Soros and the people he fronts for, are determined to destroy the middle class in the USA and bring this country down to the level of the third world. The Carbon Tax and Cap and Trade are of central importance to the implementation of their plans to socialize this nation.
So how do "they" benefit from the alleged BP disaster in the Gulf?
First, Obama has suspended all further oil production in the Gulf for platforms in water in excess of 500 feet. This will eventually tighten the supply of oil in the USA market and raise the price of oil. Also, George Soros would love to see the U.S. oil industry crippled. He has invested about 900 million dollars in Petrobras Offshore, which is a Brazilian company that is about to develop a massive oil deposit on the coast of Brazil.
Second, this tragedy serves as a pretense for the passage of a carbon tax, and the implementation of the cap and trade mechanism. Right now, this legislation is being pushed in Congress. We have to save the world from the dreaded toxic gas known as carbon dioxide!!! (Funny I thought all plants thrived on CO2?) We all thought the Global warming scam was history after the scandal was revealed. But these people will NEVER quit. They just fall back and probe for another weak spot.
As far as Corexit being just another weapon to use in controlling the population, well we will just have to wait and see. I would not rule it out. This chemical has been banned in England and the rest of Europe. It is extremely toxic.
In short, this incident in the Gulf, if it is in fact an "illusion of disaster" as opposed to a real disaster, is classic Hegelian Dialectic: Problem, Reaction, and Solution.
If you think this is far fetched then think Pearl Harbor, Think U.S.S. Liberty. Think Murrah Building, Oklahoma City. Think 911 and the attack on the WTC. If you frighten people enough you can drive them like sheep to do just about anything. I am reminded of that famous line by Gene Hackman in "Crimson Tide" where he is talking with Denzell Washington, his XO. They were discussing the Lippizzaner Stallions and how they can be made to do such amazing things. Hackman said"you shove a cattle prod up their ass." "You see It is just a matter of voltage."
Think! Be aware, and be prepared....
http://shtf411.com/bp-illusion-of-a-false-spill-t7065.html-sid=75f49d984d7e8acccaec5214bb60fbfa
The 'disaster' in the Gulf of Mexico is beyond a false flag; it's an illusion. What I'm about to reveal will more than likely go by the wayside, and the charade will continue. The reason for writing this is not for attention, games, or folly, but to expose the biggest scam in the 21st century, and to relieve some aching hearts. There is no need for fear as this is a staged event. I cannot reveal my sources, they do go straight to the top, but hopefully what I write will echo inside of each person reading this as the truth.
Much of the information I present here cannot be easily verified, fast checked, or ever presented as anything, but hearsay, as they are just words of an anonymous online entity. The Government, corporations, and the people behind them have pulled out all the stops to insure the truth doesn't come out. They are the reason why the beaches have private security contractors, insuring no one is able to gain access to the oil on shore. They are the reason the Gulf of Mexico is a no fly zone. They are the reason why the gulf states are being locked down by military. They are the reason why the well head you see is different in many videos that BP releases. Without this measure of control the illusion would fail. In this post, what I can do is provide leading evidence, or give clues to the truth; from there you can use something that has gone by the way side, common sense.
The large oil spills washing up on the shores are not from BP Deep Horizon. They are indeed from surrounding wells, that were already leaking by design. These wells can be verified through a simple online search. You'll notice that much of the oil is actually in the form of tar. Usually tar balls; sizes of these have reached 2000+ pounds.
From the start, BP, Haliburton, and co-conspirators knew where they were drilling. Using specific equipment, such as the German ship RV Sonne, they had detailed maps of the ocean bottom. The ship, and a specific college study from 2005, in the Gulf of Mexico, are your starting points to what's really happening in the gulf. Here's a link to what the study synopses http://geology.about.com/cs/volcanology/a/aa051604a.htm
What BP, Haliburton, and other co-conspirators intentionally drilled into was an Asphalt Volcano. Sounds scary doesn't it? It really is not. In fact, after you read the above link you'll know that the Gulf of Mexico is literally coated in oil, tar, and methane hydrate at the bottom. The study went on to find that massive aquatic life has specifically adapted to living off of the hydrocarbons. That in fact these asphalt volcanoes are a natural part of the ocean ecology, and their eruptions actually benefit the sea life over the long duration of time.
Another aspect to what I was directly told is that BP, Haliburton, and other co-conspirators drilled intentionally into the 'mid side' of this particular asphalt volcano. Basically from what I understand, it is a soda bottle effect. If they had drilled into the top of the volcano, then all the gas would rise out, and explode as would bottled carbonated liquid. The effect of drilling into the side permits a safely controlled release of gas, tar, liquified asphalt, and other related gases. What was done is a more or less controlled release; almost natural in fact!
The Asphalt volcano was a win win situation for this false flag: as it presented the best illusion to all outside parties. Not only do the conspirators need to fool the general public, but also the oil industry, and scientific community. The public is easy to fool, but the latter two groups take a little more effort; this is the main reason why the Gulf is being isolated by security contractors, and military. Anyone well versed on this giant debacle in the Gulf knows that it is surrounded with stories, and claims of negligence. This was the first purposeful aspect to make the story seem credible to all outside parties; as the story is more easily believed, when it is chalked up to human error, or incompetence.
Besides using inferior, shotty, or flat out negligent craftsmanship, as the well was intended to fail from the onset, the conspirators knew that the pressure produced from the volcano would blow out even better equipment. This was the second mechanism to fool other industry experts. All experts, and scientific communities only know what they are told, and that is the well tapped into a large high pressure hydrocarbon pocket. To even a trained eye, what they are being told appears to be a massive oil gusher, when in fact it's a controlled event.
In watching the videos, or live feeds looks horrible, and very ominous, but upon closer examination the tell tale signs of what it really is shows through, what you are actually viewing is a man made(well bore) large "Black Smoker". You should take note, as the evidence has built, the live feed appears to have been tampered with. I suspect it is because of the video below. The man narrating the video has it correct, it is a volcano! But those aren't flames. From the link provided above, they are a combination of gases; specifically Sulfur, and Iron are what create the flame effect. Since the airing of that video, several of the live feeds have been proven to be tampered footage, or faked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Den9CoYb0OHs
You need to realize that an illusion is only as good as it's weakest link. All scientific evidence on paper coming from the government, and corporations is being fudged. In the case of this staged, and controlled event that weak link is the oil, or more specifically the tangible tar that can be collected. As I mentioned much of the oil that has been seen, or noticed is tar rather than heavy crude oil. Out at sea closest to the Deep Horizon site, "shrimpers" have been hired to boom the oil/tar together, and set it ablaze. There are several huge fires right now out in the Gulf. The reason is for this is to hide the evidence. The distinct asphalt volcano tar, is actually coated with naturally produced oil eating microbes, and other natural safe guards produced by Mother Earth; these types of organisms are not present in a regular oil well, but commonly in the Asphalt Volcanoes, and large tar flows at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
To continue with why the asphalt volcano was a win win to drill into, is the heaviness of the tar. Read the linked article provided above, the tar will cling to lighter oil, and fall to the bottom of the Gulf at some point, near in the future. Also, the microbes, and other organisms that naturally occur from this will multiply. They will not only eat the tar, but the other control released oil that they are pumping into the Gulf.
We've all seen the videos of beaches not lined so much with oil, but with tar balls of varying sizes. Also, we've all noticed BP's overall lack of concern for cleanup. We've seen booms which aren't tied together. We've heard first hand account of staged clean ups on the beaches. As soon as a press conference, or media event is done BP stops work. The reason is simple, it's not that they don't care, but that they already know what's gonna happen. The oil will start naturally being cleaned up via decomposition, oil eating organisms, and falling to the already naturally tar covered bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
What's the benefit of this scam? MONEY, and population control. Read this article [link to theintelhub.com] ... ized-plan/ If you're still reading this article, and even beginning to grasp the sinister nature of the fraud being perpetrated, then you'll realize that the corexit9500, and other dispersant's are not needed. They are purposely being sprayed by Evergreen Air/CIA to cull the population along the Gulf Coast.
Also, explained to me, is the large amount of useless eaters, pond scum, or undesirables living along the gulf coast. These would be the Americans living off of the government. I will not beat around the bush with pleasantries, or politically correct statements here. This coastal area from Texas to Florida has the highest, or most dense population of targets of illimination by the US Govt., and corporations. These are the populations living on welfare(in this area dominated by African Americans), and the older population living on Social Security(mainly Florida). These people are going to start dropping like flies over the next few years, and greatly reduce the burden to government coffers.
In this respect this is a doomsday event, but it's not the end of the food chain, death of the oceans, or as some have warned an extinction level event. It's only bad for the targeted populations.
To cover the money aspects of this fraudulent event, are somewhat self evident. Primarily, as President Obama (note he's not very worried, think about it) has just pointed out, they are using this false flag to move forward with the Carbon Tax, followed by Cap, and Trade. Another aspect of profit is the clean up of this disaster; those boats aren't running around for free in the Gulf. From there, is the very real aspect of banks calling their notes on the remaining mortgaged properties along the Gulf, and peninsula of Florida. Remember Katrina? They never gave the land back, but sold it to casinos, and other businesses. Almost all beach front property will end up in the hands of the banks, and government. They'll play this disaster off for a few years, and explain the mysterious disappearance of oil on kindness from mother nature.
The side effects of this scam are negligible; in the eyes of the perpetrators, they've done nature a favor. They've opened up an asphalt volcano from the side, and will shut it down in the next few months by equalizing the pressure. The equalization of pressure will come by way of the two relief wells; which are not wells, but vents. when they do this, I have no clue what excuse they'll use, but the current gusher will stop. I said stop, it will not slow down, but literally stop. Remember, all they have done is aided nature in something that is a very common, and naturally occurring event at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico.
That's about all I have to say. I will pop in to answer any if at all questions. The reason I came forward with this information is that I myself was worried about the level of this event. Honestly, knowing the reasoning of what, why, and how has given me peace. Anyone who has family anywhere near where they are spraying these chemicals need to alert their family to leave; they are the target of this false flag. To anyone who finds credence, or a shred of truth in what I've written, please pass this on; as we all are the target on the grand scale. The target by way of the coming carbon tax, cap, and trade.
God Bless,
Scientist Insider Whistleblower
US: BP Whistleblower lashes out against her employer and exposes its deceptions, gross negligence, and indifference to the effects of the Gulf oil spill.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/877.html
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@MikeFitzAU
Posted by @MikeFitzAU 4/30/2010This is not yet a victory. The filter remains a threat to our childrens' freedom as long as it remains Labor (or even Coalition) policy. At the upcoming federal election, ensure that the person you intend to vote for understands that your vote is conditional on his/her opposition to the filter.
Any plan that places scope-creep-ready censorware in all Australian ISPs is a danger.
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ElizaC
Posted by ElizaC 4/30/2010Right on, Mike!
GetUp is determined to keep the pressure on until we know the policy is gone for good.
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FredZ
Posted by FredZ 4/30/2010We are told that the filter will not be brought in until after the next election.
It makes me think that the Government knows it has the majority of its voters on side and will thereby gain a comprehensive mandate to put the filter into legislation.
I think we're pissing into the wind here...
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John Lord
Posted by John Lord 4/30/2010What did Rudd think he was going to filter? Family pics of a naked baby sent to relatives? OOOOOHHH!!...NAKED...FILTER IT !!!! Funny, harmless jokes because there is a swear word in it??? Tourists sending a pic of the statue of David, or the Mannequin Pis to their friends??
Go back to square one Rudd, and learn how to become a popular Prime Minister. Dictators always lose in the end....reason...The POWER of the PEOPLE!
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Carolyn McK
Posted by Carolyn McK 5/1/2010There seem to be only two methods of government, John Howard's stay safe do nothing and Rudd's gung ho just do anything that sounds good without bothering to find out if it will work, if it will make any difference, or if it is safe. There is an in between, teach the office junior to google, do a little research and find out stuff, call someone who has tried something similar and find out what the result was. No expensive feasibility studies they just cost millions, just a little quiet research, about an hours worth will do. That's enough to inform you for example that internet filtering of this kind puts us up there with countries with the most censorship and control of their citizens in the world. Australian's have rules for everything, we are suffocated in cotton wool, its time to grow up and take responsibility for ourselves. If you go on the internet, take precautions, if you walk to the edge of a cliff don't fall over the edge, if you smoke you are taking a risk. We should not have to put fences around everything. Open your eyes look around and take care of yourself! Censoring the internet is just what Hitler would have done, his solution was to burn books. Human beings will go to extraordinary lengths to inform themselves of the truth, to enrich their knowledge. I don't want to be protected I want to be free. Predators and people who hurt children should be hunted down. Focus on them. I had a teacher once who kept the whole class in if one or two people spoke, it caused anarchy. We should not all be punished for the minority that abuse the internet and its infinite sharing of information.
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Thorn
Posted by Thorn 5/2/2010A forward thinking government would put in place the legislative framework to enable the online publication and distribution of everything that can be legally obtained offline.
Instead, the proposed legislation will ensure Australia is strategically placed last in the internet race.
What company would take the risk of placing content on a server in Australia? There is much legislative uncertainty as to what will be acceptable online in Australia. There is also the added risk that the company would lose huge amounts of money when a site is incorrectly blocked due to an error. If you locate the server overseas, you reduce the possible negative impact of blunders as only Australian customers would be blocked by the filter.
Movies, television shows, books, games, magazines and newspapers are already on the internet. With the ability of the user to interact with these media, at what point does an interactive book, television show or movie become a game? The government's blinkered vision that games are only for children also adds to the legislative uncertainty.
What is next? Burning every book or magazine that is unsuitable for 5 year old?
The economic effect of blunders on companies could be devastating. Most online sites have competitors, and if their site is unavailable their customers will go to competing sites, losing that business forever. Customers who have paid weekly or monthly subscriptions could also be out of pocket.
The restricted content includes too much content that should not be restricted. I have little faith in the government's ability to put it into practice without bankrupting companies due to errors or adding significantly to internet latency.
There has to be a better solution!
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Tony L
Posted by Tony L 5/5/2010The more I read about the filter proposal, the more I see that ideology has gotten ahead of practical, or even financial concerns.
I have some experience in implementing a URL based filter on a small scale. In this case, it was to limit access to "distracting" material to a group of rooms that were being used to conduct a youth training programme. Material restricted included not only adult content, but some online gaming sites and IM portals, which were notorious time wasters that the teachers had to keep moving the students off.
In some ways, the technology worked much as the Government's proposed filter works. It was URL based, where anything from a single file, to a directory, to an entire site could be blocked. IP blocking was also an option. URLs were generally reported (to me) by the teachers. We had a turnaround time of minutes (if I was free) to a couple of hours worst case), but even then it was a game of "whack a mole", as new URLs came to notice. We did have the advantage of a controlled environment, where there was much less scope for bypassing the filter entirely. However, when it came to performance, that was actually quite good, even when browsing sites on the LAN, where there was no noticeable degradation. Internet sites actually benefited from the inherent caching of the system. The filter ran on an old surplus PC, so it didn't need a lot of processing power to keep up.
Scaling that up to a national level would add up to a monumental waste of time and money in maintaining the list. I agree, both on technical grounds, and on the grounds of human rights that the money that would have been allocated to the Internet filter is better spent on education, empowerment (of parents to supervise their kids with confidence) and law enforcement, to pursue and bring lawbreakers, such as those creating and trading in child porn and other forms of abuse to justice.
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Kirk
Posted by Kirk 5/10/2010I agree Tony... no sooner will as site be added to the list a new site will pop up. There are so many ways around filters too.
What about all those forums, chat rooms, blogs, etc, how can the Govt (or anyone for that matter) block us from seeing what people post on there??
This all seems like a complete waste of time and money... taxpayers money, which would be better spent actually chasing the bad guys. There are already systems in place where by our police are successfully catching people in "child porn rings"... wouldn't it be better to focus on more of the same??
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@nthony
Posted by @nthony 5/10/2010If only Rudd could feel the pulse of the people again... I know another 20/20 summit!!! Maybe this time he could listen to what people want and stop wasting everyone's time and money on this ridiculous plan. Who knows maybe he might wake up and just rip some of the title out of Senator Conroy's portfolio of Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy, it worked with Garrett!!!
We need to put these politician's straight they work for us not the other way round.
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Adam
Posted by Adam 5/10/2010The Australian Internet Filer if implemented will be the beginning of the end for what freedoms of information there is left, not to mention an attack on all Australians right to the choice of the information we view. Policing the internet on a National level under the voter friendly veil of "protecting the children" is not the way, and any regulating should be performed by parents in the home.
Another solution would be to provide an Internet filter to homes and business via download which is a lot more effective for those that "choose" to adopt it, and the Government is being taking a proactive stance against content which may be deemed hazardous. Forcing it upon everyone and removing the choice is not the way.
Finally, the Internet is not a static piece of media that can be categorised, rated and approved by a standards board like a magazine, dvd, cd or video game. The Internet is dynamic and ever-changing wealth of information which is free for all of us to enjoy. Further if ACMA wants to treat the Internet as static media by forming a blacklist of sites, why isn't this information made public, and why hide it? Why did Senator Conroy become so defensive when asked about this? Alarm bells are ringing and the only thing that brings me peace is to think in 10 years time, I'll sit with friends laughing about what the Government tried to do once.
Stand up and make your opinion known about this attempt to rub out a key human right - choice.
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Power to the Paedophiles
Posted by Power to the Paedophiles 5/11/2010"Choice" to do what ever you like is not part of a Free Society.
ADAM You do not have the choice to kill; to steal; to rape; to act as a preditor; to let bombs off in a crowd etc etc.
If you are a contributing member of a society it requires you to help your neighbour and not rape his wife because you think you have the choice to rape her or want her.
Society requires you to protect the weak and the young and at times it limits your CHOICE to drive at 200kmh and drive through STOP signs etc etc
WE have laws that are broken every day. This does not mean we should not have these laws as you seem to be inferring above because you see them as removing your choice to read and see what you want. If you want your children to be able to access the sick violence or see the results of Paedophiles at some friends home then by all means go for CHOICE for all and bring up your kids in a ANARCHISTIC Society because you deserve it mate as they will have the CHOICE YOU LONG FOR. NO LAWS to hamper their choice.
POWER TO THE PAEDOPHILE GO "Get Up".
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Power to the Paedophiles
Posted by Power to the Paedophiles 5/11/2010It was shocking to see the great number of Q&A audience and the 120,000 at get up that want NO controls on what our children see on the net.
The only argument used was it was able to be hacked around or it should be the responsibility of perents.
We have laws against Pack RAPE, against underage drinking; against stealing and they still happen.
It seems freedom for our society to go to hell in a bucket is OK at GET UP as we should not have laws because people can break them.
Or is it we should only have laws that people cannot break.
How many Paedophiles are members of GET UP?
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Bakalite
Posted by Bakalite 5/29/2010Hi, Power to the Paedophiles (sic),
I'm pleased that you are engaged enough to comment on GetUp! I also get what you are saying. I'm a software engineer and I can assure you there are many controls monitoring what we all see, including what our children see.
Your negating point that filters can be "hacked around or should be the responsibility of parents" as being nefarious is fair enough. But, frankly, what do you do. I protect my children using openDNS. Ironically openDNS circumvents the proposed filter (the DNS server being in the US). openDNS is used by many tens of thousands of schools worldwide and the take up increases daily.
Our Internet speed over ADSL+ is typically around 5.5 Kb/s and is very rarely above 8 Kb/s. For example, in Europe its running as high as 35 Kb/s. Cable very recently here for comparison will run at 100 Kb/s (but no static IP address). Its impractical to monitor our Australian network by packet sniffing simply because we don't have a good enough network (the proposed filter does not packet sniff - much more primitive). So what are we left with?
Trust me, there are other ways to track pedophiles. I for one would prefer to use common internet policing practice and catch the perpetrators electronically stalking their targets, rather than drive them underground and catch them from the victims forensic evidence. Be careful what you wish for, your hoped for filter may well do much more harm than good.
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DD
Posted by DD 5/11/2010Pursuing individual offensive sites has been very successful. I don't know what "Power" is finding - and I can't be bothered to deeply scour the net for material I don't want - but at a surface level most of the material intended to be covered by the filter has gone
"Power" seems to equate opposing the filter with supporting child pornography - nothing could be further from the truth. The two items are only connected in the minds of the computer illiterate. The filter would achieve precisely nothing positive, except perhaps raising computer literacy to get round it for the sheer Hell of it! Kids will!
Surely it is better to have sites that can be prosecuted, rather than promote - as a filter will - an underground network of complicated encryption, and probably far worse source exploitation of the innocent
Kids who use the net are like wizards compared with most of us of older generations - No filter will block them seeing what they want to see - pirating what they want to pirate - and using the medium as part of normal youthful exploration and rebellion.
The internet is part of their universe. A whole generation has now grown up who do not remember the days before the internet existed. Behaviour in your personal universe is a personal matter. Decent behaviour prevents more road accidents than laws do. People do not behave in a socially acceptable manner merely because laws punish them when they do not. Parenting is the key to most of it. The filter is yet another attempt to usurp the parental role. Do that in one area and parents learn to abrogate their responsibilities to properly parent in others.
We have to bring our children up to understand their environment - an environment far wider and more complex than the one in which the older generation grew up
People like Conroy and "Power" seem to live in a patriarchal and patronising world that is gone. For all the nostalgia - I don't miss it. I prefer a freer and more open world, despite the dangers. I prefer a world not totally dominated in terms of ethos by a frequently corrupted parliamentary class. I elect them to run the country - not to take away my role as a parent. I elect them to protect and enhance liberty not to censor. I elect them to pursue criminals not to interfere with a complicated technological medium they all to obviously do not really understand
Progress can be dangerous - the Reformation was dangerous, the Enlightenment was dangerous, the nuclear age is dangerous. But there is no going backwards - no return to a Golden Age - simply because there never was one. "Power" seems to be feeding the myth of a society that is degenerating because of "freedom for our society". That is a very old Catholic myth from the time of Luther. It rears its ugly head periodically to threaten the gains of Enlightenment
Conversely I believe society is endangered, progress is threatened, the future of our children is being soured, by outdated and dysfunctional attitudes - some drawn from decaying superstitions and some simply from an archaic and nosey desire by the arrogant to impose their will on others in every area of their lives.
It is time to forget the filter - learn to live with the new media - and move on. All the filter will ultimately achieve is the loss of some half a million votes and the ousting of the ALP in Australia
Or is that what it is really all about? - Just asking. What is the real agenda. Do the perpetrators of this nonsense really not see what they are doing?
What was that old term from James Bond books? - "Agent Provocateur" - might as well be
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Power to the Paedophiles
Posted by Power to the Paedophiles 5/11/2010DD you are typical of those who believe we all should be anarchist and bring all our children up as if there is no one in society to protect them or further "to believe society has no right to protect them". You believe they must be EXPOSED TO THE MORE COMPLEX environment of "enlightenment". You make that clear in what you wrote above.
You said so much in your comment. I was brought up in a society that protected me in the late 40s and 50s. Please do not tell me about how I was brought up as you are clearly ignorant about the threats in my society in regional Queensland.
If you want your kids to be exposed to violent sex and the evils of paedophiles then vote for the GREAT "NO TO EVERYTHING" PARTY.
The REAL AGENDA is to protect our society from preditors and the evil of violent SEX called RAPE and HARD DRUGS and Terrorists who make BOMBS.
What is your AGENDA DD? Are you one of those PREDITORS protecting your turf? Maybe a terrorist or a pack rapist after some ideas to be more degrading? So we all go forward to your Golden Age of free and violent sex and no laws by the state to protect the young and the weak.
And you call your future with this anarchy PROGRESS? REALLY?
If you have never lived in a WAR zone you sure long to do so with your strange views of PROGRESS.
Yes I have lived in a WAR zone in a Village and observed you lawless state. Only the SICK ever want to return to it.
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Thorne
Posted by Thorne 5/25/2010What a wierd statemnt!
You've lived in a warzone and Australia without an internet filter is like that?
And by installing an internet filter will magically rid Autralia of pack rapists and sex offenders and turn the country is a magical happy place full of sunshine and rainbows?
And anybody opposing the secret government ban list (with no review process or any oversight at all) is clearly a paedophile.
Being so old, I'd of thought you'd want to be able to access infomation on euthanasia so you don't have to spent the rest of your days living in pain tied to a bed dying of cancer or trapped in a body that doesn't work from a stroke.
Whoops thats banned too! Can't have the little kiddies looking up how to "off" themselves can we now?
Clearly your on drugs or your Stephen Conroy (or both)
Porn is the excuse for the filter but the real reason is so the government can filter anything it likes for any reason it like and nobody will directly know or be able to do anything about it.
Thorne
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Borowicz
Posted by Borowicz 5/11/2010Troll rubbish.
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Posted by 6/22/2010That said, it's pretty defeatist to compare Australia to Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia simply because of an internet filter. To suggest that Australia would become totalitarianism is a ridiculously unsubstantiated claim.
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Posted by 6/22/2010That said, it's pretty defeatist to compare Australia to Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia simply because of an internet filter. To suggest that Australia would become totalitarianism is a ridiculously unsubstantiated claim.
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Power to the Paedophiles
Posted by Power to the Paedophiles 5/11/2010Borowicz,
You must work in the Sun with a detailed comment like that.
Fried brain obviously.
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Grandma
Posted by Grandma 5/11/2010Being a very senior citizen, I have heard all this carry-on about censorship being the end of all liberty time and time again. This never eventuates. I was disgusted at the selfish attitude of the elders who wanted free unlimited access to information about ending their lives. Did they give any thought to depressed young people, those suffering mental illness or severe depression who might also take this option before seeking help.
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Thorne
Posted by Thorne 5/25/2010My Grandfather died of liver cancer. He was doped out on morphine as high as they could give it and he was still in pain.
He lost all control of all bodily functions. His bowels stop working and faeces starting coming back up.
A young person doesn't need to research a happy pill that puts them to sleep. They hang themselves, crash cars, swallow pills or jump off buildings.
The filter does nothing to save young people but it does try to rob terminally sick people of the right to go with diginity and without pain.
Of course the realy point is that the filter "TRIES" to. They're running classes on how to get around it for old people.
If your anti filter you should vote against it cause it's a blow against your freedom. If your pro filter you should still vote against it cause it's a huge waste of tax payers money that can't technically work.
Thorne
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Borowicz
Posted by Borowicz 5/11/2010Never eventuates? Think of Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union, to name two memorable examples. Tyranny starts early with government censorship and control over information. They then merely continue expanding the definition of "unacceptable content" and hardening the laws.
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Olternative
Posted by Olternative 6 days 18 hours agoAgreed...
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both." – Benjamin Franklin
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Bob
Posted by Bob 5/11/2010Kevin Rudd learned to speak Chinese and he may as well move to China where they already have internet filtering. What an un Australian thing to do. Where has our free country gone.
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Nik
Posted by Nik 5/12/2010If the government has any sense at all they wouldn't be trying to implement a broad filter, but rather spending a fraction of the cost on a filter that the user can install on their own computer.
By providing the tools for the people that need the filter they keep the speed and fundamental qualities of the internet in-tact and offer protection to the people that want it.
I will be fighting to keep the internet free! Not so I can look at porn or illegal sites but to ensure that one of the greatest tools the human race has seen remains in-tact and in control of the people, not by the small minority of political/religious views that seem to shape our society in such negative fear mongering ways.
Education over control please Mr Rudd!
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OldFart
Posted by OldFart 5/21/2010I think Solomon is missing the point - this has nothing to do with effectively filtering the internet or protecting children and everything to do with getting the votes of elderly and conservative voters who are scared of 'new' technology.
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Thorne
Posted by Thorne 5/25/2010http://www.theage.com.au/technology/conroy-savages-facebook-privacy-20100525-w8bt.html?autostart=1
"What would you prefer," Senator Conroy said, "a corporate giant who is answerable to no one and motivated solely by profit making the rules on the internet, or a democratically elected government with all the checks and balances in place?"
So what Conroy really asks us is do we want our privacy or our freedom?
To quote Robert Downey Junior in the original Ironman "is it too much to ask for both?"
He might have had some point if the "democratically elected government" actually had the "checks and balances in place" but as far as I can see the list of filtered sites is hidden with no reveiew process (except maybe a six monthly review by a retired judge. Maybe)
Quite frankly it appalls me to think the only review to my internet freedom is a retired judge who more than likely has to get his grandchildren to help him order his alzheimer medication online cause he can't use a keyboard.
God forbid him to be also a god fearing christian "family man" (who more than likely visit Ken's Karate Klub too) specially selected by Conroy to be his oversight.
If I ever have to select between my privacy and my freedom, I pick my freedom.
Google and Facebook before Conroy
GetUp needs a new campain for the customs new right to search laptops for "porn" when going through airports.
This has nothing to do with porn and everything to do with the right to search for anything they feel like without a warrant.
Lets say I have a naughty photo of my wife. All perfectly legal. By law I have to tell them I have porn on my computer and show them the photos. Worse still I can say no I don't, they search the computer and look anyway then hit me for lying on my custom forms.
While their at it, they can read my emails, letters, browser history, etc etc. Wonderful isn't it. The joys of living in a police state.
Thorne
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zoltanp1967
Posted by zoltanp1967 5/29/2010Gotta watch them though - shelvng sometimes is another way of saing: 'If we get through at the next election, we will do as we like if parliament majority allows us to, and say that we had a mandate to do so'.
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adamsmithrpg
Posted by adamsmithrpg 6/11/2010for something new that's almost as bad...
http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-browsing-history-339303785.htm
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Richard
Posted by Richard 6/12/2010So democratically elected governments are accountable? You mean the governments that take us to war on lies and conscript people when they refuse to go voluntarily?
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Phillipe O\'Connell
Posted by Phillipe O\'Connell 6/16/2010Keven Rudd runs a fair chance of screwing the mining industery,then he takes a walk with a 200k pension, and we are left carring the baby, australia has few blue chip stocks left, look they wanted to sell the snowey mountains hidro but the people steded in and aposed it. the mining industery are already paying 41 cents in the dollar tax he wants to increase it to 80 cents, so where is the incentive to drill , westfarmers in the last 48 hours have advised it it's shareholders they can expect a drop in divedends asthey are heavely into coal and the tax will efect them, by they are the largest single employer in australia owning coles, ad this together with the refugee crises global warming blackflip. and you see this is a one turm goverment.remove them from goverment, because he can screw what what we have left, then take the walk with a 100k pension , which he doesen't need as he is a millionare in his own right , ps forgot to mention the insulation sceme a 300 million debarcle garret only qualifications are he is a labor seporter, he would still be on his 150k a year, in private industery he wuld be drawn and quarted. Phillipe O'Connell
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Tom J
Posted by Tom J 6/20/2010Why wasn't Internet Censorship listed on the recent survey as one of the issues GetUp members could vote on as being important to them? Are the civil liberties of Australians somehow less important than the rights of refugees? Is GetUp attempting to move away from supporting us on this critical issue? Have they come under some kind pressure from the government? It seems only the Greens and Electronic Frontiers Australia is fighting this in our behalf. Please explain.
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Posted by 6/22/2010Good on Getup! for standing up for what's right and keeping the internet as it is.
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Keith
Posted by Keith 6/25/2010A new PM gives us the opportunity for renewal. More than half of the priorities that existed under Rudd have to go.
In particular all plans to borrow more billions of dollars should be immediately abandoned. But there's more.
I hope we will also see a rapid review of the open door policy on illegal entry to Australia.
I believe Kevin Rudd did an excellent job in fooling most people back in 2007, and lying about the extent of the economic crisis.
It must have been exhausting work at great cost to himself to maintain the bullshit for all that time. He made an excellent start but i feel he simply and understandably ran out of things to bullshit about. We need a refreshed leadership. Pity we dont have one now.
If i have a personal hope it is that Julia Gillard will draw herself away from all sides of politics and our economy may have a chance of recovery. Maybe she could go back to being a lawyer, where her lies wont destroy the country quite as much.
I hope too to see an end to pandering to the left wing politically correct bleeding hearts. These people of fundamentalist stupidity are so much in need of reform themselves.
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DD
Posted by DD 6/29/2010Blog stalking is a common form of intimidation used by the great unwashed Right wing of politics. Its aim is to subvert and divert discussion of important matters, lowering the tone to abuse and malicious sexual innuendo.
So I am not biting Keith, particular at a time when such important events are taking place
There is more than just a glimmer of hope in the recent changes in Canberra. I wish our new PM the very best
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